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Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 526	Posted - 2012.02.21 20:20:00 - [1] - Quote Lookit me, posting with my FW main, in a corp I started and joined FW with. I'm sure you can do it too, OP. Just try harder. I don't know what caused this amount of butthurt, OP, but some FW tips: Don't depend on the Militia channel. There is no trust to be had there. It's full of spies. Until you get a bit of a name for yourself, expect to be treated with skepticism. This is true everywhere in Eve -- trading, alliances, FW, and weird businesses like lotteries and other gambling. Those who are clueless are best off not starting corps, but rather joining existing ones and learning how things work. I was part of TRIAD, and before that, plain TLF before starting Rifterlings. You have to prove yourself/your corp. A corp with only newbies and no killboard record smells of "spy". Get a few kills to start with, and prove you're actually hurting the enemy militia and more people will want to fly with you. Don't look down on piracy too much. Oftentimes neutrals are friends with the enemy, or even alts. This wasn't piracy. There are surprisingly few "innocent" people in lowsec. tl;dr, starting a FW corp is hard, and nobody owes you anything. You have to give others a reason to want to work with you, other than just being in the same militia. Some specific tips, as it sounds like your main is in the Minmatar militia: Set Adolf Ehrntooth and his corp red for your whole corp. He uses a mega-boosting Loki alt to give his ships uber advantages, and only engages on his own terms -- which means you are likely to lose. Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect. Fly more cheap frigates. And lastly, ganking is PvP. Blobs are surprisingly easy to avoid with proper scouting/intel, and a big part of PvP (as big as fitting and the combat itself) is picking your target right, and if things look like they are going to go badly, GTFO. If you see two Dramiels in bound for the minor plex in which you are sitting in two Rifters, don't die then whine about being ganked. Get out and blueball those Dramiels. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 528	Posted - 2012.02.21 20:37:00 - [2] - Quote After re-reading the thread, this is my advice: join a newbie-friendly corp with your buddies, be it in FW or not, and learn to PvP that way. PvP is not something you can figure out on the fly by just getting at it; you really need a mentor. When you have no record of past activity, and no experience on top of that, most people you will find PvPing (in FW and elsewhere) won't want to be bothered with babysitting you and teaching you every step. This is especially true as they don't owe you anything as you're not in their corp. If you were USTZ I would invite you to join Rifterlings, which is a newbie-friendly FW corp (and we also provide free frigates to die in while learning to PvP), but after a ragethread like this I'm not sure I need someone like you. Or, you know, you could take your newbie corp and go to 0.0 as you wish, but you will only find more death and derision there. Feel free. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 529	Posted - 2012.02.21 22:10:00 - [3] - Quote Alaekessa wrote: ~good stuff~ Holy crap, a newbie with the right attitude on the forums? Who'd have thought! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 529	Posted - 2012.02.22 08:23:00 - [4] - Quote Flyingleanpocket wrote: Flyinghotpocket wrote: Petrus Blackshell wrote: Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect. [ no doubt you will wander the eve universe wondering just how many alts i really do have. Hint: It's a lot That's the conclusion I reached too. I should start a "Flyingaltpocket" campaign for my killboard, and put any kills I get of you and your alts in it. Flyinghotpocket wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: To be fair... when a group of "hardened FW bittervets" start roaming around the opposing militia just "happens" to become "scarce." I'd rather go hunting for some poor sap that just stumbled into our corner of space than pointlessly chase around people in nano-frigates who are trying to "circlejerk" us. you could always man up and ship down like we tell you to in local everyday of our eve life. we say man up, ship down, not ship up man down. get it straight Sometimes shipping up works too, but you are right. If you know exactly what your enemy is flying, why would you ever ship up to something that has no hope of killing them ever? There are way too many people who put all their faith in their ship's ISK worth, or in an ~awesomefit~ or a ~solopwnmobile~. And yet, I can't decide if Eve would be more or less fun if people started to actually think about what they're flying. Food for thought, I suppose. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 531	Posted - 2012.02.22 20:56:00 - [5] - Quote Flyinghotpocket wrote: it would be more fun if people were less concered with "i might die so im going to bring a pirate faction ship to kill a plain t1 ship that wont stand any sort of chance unless its raining outside and its monday and its the afternoon" senario "I might die" is a scary concept for most people. How are you supposed to maintain KB efficiency without flying a mega-boosted faction ship? Or being in a Dreak blob? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 535	Posted - 2012.02.23 04:44:00 - [6] - Quote Har Harrison wrote: Also confirming, I am not one of his alts... I'm not falling for that one. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 537	Posted - 2012.02.23 15:47:00 - [7] - Quote Cearain wrote: Flyinghotpocket wrote: "o my god i lost a 50mil ship my efficiency is ruined!!! ill only fly in the blob from now on and run away from ANYTHING that even has the slightest chance of killing me" The whole "isk efficiency" rating is one of the worst statistics in eve that has discouraged good fights. Anyway how is it calculated? If you kill a 200 million isk battleship with 20 other players do you each get 10 million isk added to what you have killed? Or do they base it on the amount of damage you have done? So if you did half the damage you would have 100 million isk and the other 19 would divide the other 100 million based on their damage? Nope. I wrote a rage thread on this a while back and why EDK and its dumb way of calculating ISK efficiency is killing PvP in Eve (at least, PvP by people who want to max out KB numbers). If 20 players in 50 mil ISK ships each (BCs) kill a 200 mil ISK ship, but lose 5 battlecruisers in the fight, everyone's efficiency goes up. Everybody on the kill gets the full value of the killmail. That means that each of the 20 blobbing BCs get +200 mil, - 50 mil, while the 200 mil ISK ship gets +250 mil -200 mil. E: the corp killboard is a tad more balanced, as it gets +200 mil -250 mil, but that is based on the precondition that all 20 people are in the same corp. In instances like this, KB efficiency practically encourages blobbing. Strictly speaking, scaling efficiency by damage dealt is unfair as it disadvantages tacklers and EWAR. Giving everyone the same value promotes killwhores. Divinding the value too much discourages flying in a gang. The "point" system is also broken, as a Taranis killing a Rifter gives you the same points as a Taranis killing a Daredevil, but those are very different fights. There is no good way to "solve" this. The best way I've found is to berate and laugh at anyone who seriously uses broken KB stats to prove their "leetness". Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 537	Posted - 2012.02.23 16:48:00 - [8] - Quote SigmaPi wrote: I'm not an idiot that's gonna suicide BCs into blobs for the space honor. That's what Rifters are for! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 538	Posted - 2012.02.23 17:59:00 - [9] - Quote Cearain wrote: Sorry I didn't mean to derail the thread from crying about faction war. My apologies, too. Let's get back to it. A Slicer killed my Rifter in a minor plex, why is FW so unfriendly to newbies Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel.

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